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in reply to: LASS banks for all sections #31652

@Sebastian K wrote:

Hi David,

OK, so I’ve been playing with LASS for one day and I’m BLOWN away – I use it in logic and it’s simply beautiful.

I’m very glad you are enjoying it! Thanks for these compliments!

I own Kontakt 3.5 (haven’t U/D yet but I will soon. I must say that my kontakt knowledge is the weak link in my chain and I can’t find a company offering Kontakt training videos / tutorials like macprovideo or groovebox etc…

I believe Macprovideo does cover Kontakt (although I’ve not seen this myself) as part of their ‘Complete NI Komplete’ video series. http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/nativeinstruments102

I’m used to using VSL where I would keyswitch from one articulation to another, but is that sensible with this library? (I’ve downloaded the script and the banks, so maybe that’s a way forward..).

I know I may sound like a broken record here (from our emails) but it really depends heavily on how you want to work. These user supplied banks/scripts will allow you to function similarly to how you are accustomed to working with VSL, and that may not be a bad thing. On the other hand, there are others (like myself) who prefer everything on its own MIDI track.

Since you describe yourself as a MIDI orchestrator, I can see it going two ways. With keyswitches you have the nuisance of seeing those notes show up in your notation, but you have the advantage of keeping to one instrument per track (which certainly is good for notation). On the other hand, when you separate everything out on separate tracks you won’t get those extra low notes on your score, but you do have to compile separate tracks to create a score. One final option is to use banks but switch articulations with patch changes. That way you can keep to one instrument per track and not have any extraneous notes. The downside is that some find patch changes less fun to deal with. Another downside of using banks is that it makes it impossible to layer different articulations on the same instrument unless you load the bank more than once.

Are there any logic users out there able to say… right… step one.. make a multi output instrument … step two, create (x) many auxes and so on until there is a sensible workflow for how an orchestral LASS template may look in logic?

I can tell you how I do it, and you’ll find lots of users here who do it differently. This was my basic setup procedure.

(1) create 5 new 16-part multi-timbral audio instruments and instantiate an instance of Kontakt (I use only the stereo version) on each.
(2) I devote each Kontakt to one section (vlns1,vlns2,vla,celli,cbs)
(3) I have an EQ and IR Reverb loaded as inserts on each of my 5 Kontakts
(4) I load separate div. sections on sep. MIDI channels, so 16 patches per Kontakt
(5) Right now for leg/port/gliss I am loading the 24-bit speed lite patches. I also load the spicc. trills and pizz samples, BTW.
(6) In the environment I have created a simple MIDI instrument that can simultaneously address all div. sections for each articulation. This is helpful if I want to quickly write a unis. line. I can also put all 4 div. sections in record mode as an alternative

Again, this is just my workflow. I’m actually using Vienna Ensemble Pro here, but the setup isn’t really any different if you are loading natively.

The new computer and “toys” (euphonix, EWI, loads of software) arrive tomorrow and I hate the idea of setting up an interim system and then doing it all again. I’d rather take some downtime, make a working system and then test drive / modify.

Hope you have lots of fun! I can tell you from personal experience, my template has never left beta… it’s always a work in progress.

Sincerely,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

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in reply to: LASS banks for all sections #31647

sorry

I forgot to tick the post reply box – ignore this extra post!

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in reply to: LASS banks for all sections #31646

Hey all

OK, so I’ve been playing with LASS for one day and I’m BLOWN away – I use it in logic and it’s simply beautiful.

I own Kontakt 3.5 (haven’t U/D yet but I will soon. I must say that my kontakt knowledge is the weak link in my chain and I can’t find a company offering Kontakt training videos / tutorials like macprovideo or groovebox etc…

I am really experienced in Logic but I’m a MIDI orchestrator and not experienced in scripts… So…

What i need to work out is a step by step workflow to a sensible orchestral template for idiots.
I’m used to using VSL where I would keyswitch from one articulation to another, but is that sensible with this library? (I’ve downloaded the script and the banks, so maybe that’s a way forward..).

Are there any logic users out there able to say… right… step one.. make a multi output instrument … step two, create (x) many auxes and so on until there is a sensible workflow for how an orchestral LASS template may look in logic?

I’d even like to know… when people are writing with LASS – do you load an ensemble patch, write with that as a beginning point and then move articulations, do you write on paper/sibelius and then input…. I’d love to know how people are working with this – as I’ve only used one library for so long that I want to know some alternatives to how to set up a workflow from scratch…

The new computer and “toys” (euphonix, EWI, loads of software) arrive tomorrow and I hate the idea of setting up an interim system and then doing it all again. I’d rather take some downtime, make a working system and then test drive / modify.

What advice can anyone give?

Best

David Tobin

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in reply to: Logic 9 setup #33152

how are you accustomed to running other multi-timbral audio units? I’m also a longtime Logic guy… personally, I prefer everything separated onto its own channel rather than using keyswitches or patch-changes.

Hey – thanks for this…
I’m used to using multi timbral instruments, keyswitches and less instances, but I absolutely DIDNT know this…

From a performance standpoint, you may already be aware of how Logic handles multi-proccesor support. Long story short, Logic can assign only a single proccessor/core to a channel strip. When you create another channel-strip, it can get the second proc/core, etc. That means that everything contained within a single instance of Kontakt is affectively using the same processor no matter how many your system contains. Therefore, you get a lot better performance out of Logic by doing some smart divisions of your heavily-used patches. One good approach is to use a different instance of Kontakt for each section in LASS (meaning 5 instances total).

It’s amazing what you learn after 20 years with the same piece of software…
Seriously – one channel strip, one processor / core? Phew!
That explains a LOT!
So, 5 LASS sections, 5, instances… great idea…
I’ll play with it and when I’m more used to it’s feel – I’ll ask again.. but you’ve just explained something crucial to me – so thanks for that again!

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in reply to: Logic 9 setup #33150

@soulofsound wrote:

but instead i use the Kontakt Instrument Bank to load multiple patches on one channel/track. I use 1 channel/track per instrument (group), like Violins I A, another for Violins I B, and so on for all divisi. The upside is that it’s easy to configure, the downside is that it’s not possible to layer patches within a slot of the instrument bank, so i can’t create my custom marcato patch for instance, layering legato and staccato together, or anything else like it.

Hey – thanks for that but I don’t quite follow what you mean by the above.
So, do you mean on channel one you have 4 instruments (or so) all assigned to channel one that are marcato (vlns, vla cello etc) and 4 assigned to channel two etc….?

David

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