[Sebastian K]

in reply to: v1.1 Download Problem #33405

@alsilva1 wrote:

Hi,

We are having a problem with the v1.1 download on our Mac. We have successfully downloaded and decompressed the update on our PC but our 4 Mac download attempts have yielded different files sizes and are always missing files. We have tried downloading using both Safari and Firefox and have unstuffed using UnRarx and Stuffit Expander.

It seems that one of the 24 bit Cello files is always missing.

We are using the same internet connection, downloaded in the safe afternoon.

Thanks

Hello alsilva1,

Welcome to the forums!

I’m sorry to hear that you are having issues downloading the 1.1 update on your Mac. If you’ve succesfully downloaded the update on your PC, feel free to copy those files over to your Mac… that will work just fine.

If you are unable to do so and still are unable to download the update on your Mac would you please email me at [email protected] and we’ll take a look into this further.

Sorry for the trouble.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Opening file and reloading patch>Why? #32792

@Mr. Anxiety wrote:

I’m deep into a score, utilizing the banks method for the LASS library. Program changes have been programmed into my BCF control surface, and the process has been good.

Except, when I reboot my LASS computer from time to time. About half of the patches in my set-up do not play until I toggle either the slop button, or the EQ button on various patches. As you can guess, this can be pretty annoying to get into a workflow!

Is anybody experiencing this and have a magic solution??

Thanks,

Mr. A

Hello Mr. A,

I’m starting to get the feeling that there may be something unusual happening with Kontakt scripts when instruments are loaded into banks (and possibly keyswitched with a multi-script). I’ve seen a few isolated reports similar to what you are describing, and they are all filed by people who are making use of a similar setup. I’m going to do a few tests and see what I can come up with. Could you elaborate on your computer/DAW setup (Mac/PC, sequencer, sample-rate, additional plugin hosts)?

Sorry for the trouble… I know how frustrating little glitches can be when you’re trying to write!

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: The CC1 is working as volume control not a dynamic control #33399

@rahil2000 wrote:

Hi Sebastian
Thanks a lot for ur reply
Well I think I found out the problem :roll: is that I’m using an edirol keyboard controller which has a joystick for both bending and modulation that is killing the CC1 message and not keeping it just like the regular Mod. wheel
and another issue I think is affecting the way I can listen to the layered samples which is the “CC Table” that controls the layers volume although I’m having a new impression when I heard the other layers of legato patches especially
the “PPP” samples in which I can hear like some white noise added to the samples to simulate the “PPP” dynamic noise in string instruments !!??
Anyway I’m happy to find out where the problem is and thanks a lot for ur reply
Regards
Rahil

Hello Rahil,

I’m glad to hear you discovered your problem. I’ve never liked those combined MOD/Pitch wheels!

There isn’t any trickery going on in regards to the softer dynamics AFAIK… we aren’t artificially adding any noise to simulate anything.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: The CC1 is working as volume control not a dynamic control #33397

@rahil2000 wrote:

Hi
I wonder how to use the CC1 controller for controlling the dynamic range of the legato patches???? since it works for me as a volume control no more!!!!!
and I like to ask if the legato patches have only one dynamic layer and samples or not? cause i can only play just one dynamic range regardless of velocity and the CC1 controller
even though it’s written in page 18 of the manual “CC1 controls the dynamic layers of the patch (ppp through fff) and also the volume of those layers”
please I need the answer as soon as possible
:!: :!: : :

Heloo rahil2000,

Welcome to the forums!

CC1/MOD Wheel is the default controller for LASS’ dynamics. If it’s not working for you something is going wrong. In addition, there is separate volume control mapped to CC11(expression) and CC7 (volume).

The legato patches do have more than one layer, and those layers are smoothly controlled by CC1. Velocity affects the attack but not the dynamic/volume of the legato patches.

I’m a little unclear… is CC1/MOD having any effect for you? If not, are you certain that your controller is properly sending the right MIDI messages?

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Dropouts using K4 , LASS and VE Pro #33389

Hello Mr. D,

A couple questions…

Does LASS run without hiccups as a plugin from within Logic or do you experience the hiccups there as well?

When you experience these problems, if you watch Kontakt do you see either the Disk or CPU meter spike?

I’ve personally never been very fond of the IAC MIDI ports. I’m wondering if they are having issues processing that amount of MIDI data simultaneously. If you just use a single IAC port does the audio still get problematic after a while?

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS w/ Kontakt 4 – patch edits not recalling #33387

@shmorrell wrote:

Hi,

Wondering if this is repeatable on other systems. For some reason edits that I make in lass instruments will not save within a Kontakt multi. Specifically, if I change the layer volume curve on any of the legato patches it will not come back as edited. Other lass-specific parameters will save (EQ on or off, for example) The odd thing is that sometimes it will save. Other times not. Very frustrating.

This apples whether using VEPro or Bidule as the host, which leads me to believe that lass may be the culprit.

Steve

[email protected]
818-541-1536

Hey Guys,

Not sure if this is a LASS problem, or a limitation of KSP (Andrew knows, I’m sure) but I believe the problem is saving table data (like the EQ or Vel tables). There’s an easy workaround though… just save as a preset first via the script menu (screenshot below), then save the instrument or multi. It looks like Kontakt is either by design or through some error not saving table data automatically.

[attachment=0:1tr3liwu]preset menu.jpg[/attachment:1tr3liwu]

Hope that helps… let me know if I’m misunderstanding the problem, though.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: How to create slow chordal parts #33381

@wolfetho wrote:

Could anyone give me some tips for acheiving a realistic
slow chordal type of string part with movement using LASS?
I thought of playing in the part like I would on the piano,
and then splitting the midi notes onto different midi tracks
by range. Then I would assign each track an instrument.

For example the highest notes of the chord would be the violins divisi A,
on track 1.then the next track would be divisi B, and the next violas, etc,
Using LASS, would I want to use the sustain pedal? Also, how do I
play several notes at once. I haven’t figured out how to
play this type of part using LASS..

Thanks!

Tom

Hello Tom,

Welcome to the forums!

You can certainly write parts like your described, by first playing them in and then splitting them into separate MIDI tracks. However, you’ll get a much more expressive sound if you play in the parts individually giving each their own slight changes of dynamic and shape. I find that these small and subtle variations really help to bring life to samples.

Depending on what patches you are using you may or may not want to use the sus pedal. If you are using the Leg sections, using the sustain pedal forces legato mode on (so… no break between the notes and you’ll always hear the transitions). You’ll also be limited to mono-phonic playing, as you’ve already discovered (not to confuse the issue too much, but you can actually get more than one note at a time with legato mode on… your performance needs to be quite precise). If you would prefer to play poly-phonically (several notes at once) you can use Esp Sus patches or turn the Legato mode off (using the mouse or CC111). When in non-leg mode, the sus pedal performs its traditional function.

Everyone has their own way of doing things. For instance, I personally still like to write with a piano. Then when I’m happy with it, I’ll read my piano chart and play in the parts to LASS one line at a time. Perhaps some other users will share their workflows here as well… but it really all comes down to what works for you and your music!

I hope that helps a bit!

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Mind Control #33373

@soulofsound wrote:

You’re right about the Kontakt limitation.

However, after asking about this Orange Tree told me they could have found a solution to circumvent this limitation.

Fingers crossed.

Sounds very interesting…

Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Mind Control #33371

@soulofsound wrote:

@Sebastian K wrote:

…but I believe you’d still have the issue of never being able to play more than a single instrument from a bank at a time.

If that’s the case, then it’s quite useless to me unfortunately.

As to Vision, that is a great story. Maybe his reasoning is the following and i quote from Wikipedia : “At the time Opcode went under, the Studio Vision sequencer was at the front of the pack, with arguably the best MIDI editor written to this day.”

I could be wrong, but I don’t think Kontakt allows you to play more than a single instrument from any bank. This is an inherent limitation. Does anyone know better?

Vision was cool! I still miss the bouncing playhead and MIDI arp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioBYL4svElw (love the vocals!)

Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Mind Control #33369

@soulofsound wrote:

I’m not using it yet, as i’m still on K3.5. I’m kind of xenophobe when it comes to upgrading to a newer version, if the current version is really stable, which K3.5 is in my experience.

The way i see the layering would work, is by simply loading the different articulations in the different slots (like i do now : i have one track for each of the divisi (e.g. Violas , using one Kontakt instance per track, loaded with all articulations for that specific part of the divisi e.g. Violas B ) and then assigning a different CC to spic and stac , so you can dial those in whenever you have selected any of the other slots.

For instance, i would press “program change 2” for staccato (which is technically “program change 1”, since MIDI starts counting at 0, nevermind) and then dial in -say- CC21, assigned to the spic, so i can play stac and spic together. If i want only spic, i press “program change 3”. So both “program Change 3” and CC21 give me spiccato, but only CC21 gives me the possibility to use it together with other slots.

At least that’s how i hope it would work. If i read the manual wrong (which is quite lacking to be frank), i’m in for some desillusion!

I took a peek at the manual myself, and it looks like it will function along those lines, but I believe you’d still have the issue of never being able to play more than a single instrument from a bank at a time. For setting up controller mapped-changes of articulations this looks fabulous. For my purposes, I’d still need to load duplicates of every bank to achieve the kind of layering I often like (different artics. layered within the same div. section) but this certainly makes for a more elegant-looking template than the hundreds of tracks that seem to sneak on my current (somewhat unwieldy) Logic arrange page.

I saw Opcode’s Vision running in the studio of a fairly prominent composer not long ago… so there’s xenophobic, and then there’s xenophobic!

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Is the v1.1 update cumulative? #33379

@Udo wrote:

Hi,

Does the v1.1 update include all v1.0 fixes/patches that were released prior to the v1.1 update?

I may want to reinstall.

Thanks,
Udo

Hello Udo,

Welcome to the forums!

Yes, the 1.1 update is cumulative. However there were a few changes in patches that went beyond fixes. For instance, the Legato Medium and Fast patches are now deprecated and are replaced by the superior Leg Lt patches.

That said, you are free to backup your 1.0 instruments to a second directory should you find you desire something from the 1.0 patches (or need to maintain perfect compatibility with some old sessions). However, there were so many fixes and functional improvements in the 1.1 release I don’t think you’ll miss anything. Instructions for backing up your old instruments are included in the upgrade PDF guide included with the 1.1 update.

Hope that helps, and please let me know if you have any further questions!

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: re-initiallization #33358

@Wolfram wrote:

It looked like that.
Everything seems perfect now. Thanks for your help …
I love this program …: P

Glad to help! Even more glad you are enjoying LASS!

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Mind Control #33367

@soulofsound wrote:

In the meantime, i contacted the developer and asked him to add an OR function, so you don’t need to have all conditions met for a slot/instrument to play.

I would prefer to use the Instrument Bank like i do now, with “program change” switching between slots, but then Mind Control would allow me to also add-in another slot -like say- staccato, when playing legato, to get a marcato or to do rhythmic patterns.

Anyway, it’s strange NI itself never thought of something like this, no? This idea is truly great but hardly rocket science. Or maybe its genius lies in its simplicity?

Whatever it’s cause, the consequence will be that i will have the same functionality as have people using the articulations on different tracks and that’s worth a lot to me. Gone are the days when i was limited to just one LASS articulation at a time!

Oh, and by the way Sebastian, i think you’re moderating and support are truly superb, but your music’s even better!

Yes, I think this will be a truly interesting development. We’ve already seen the power of K4 multiscripting in gvalasek’s awesome CPC Bank Keyswitch script, and now this. Hopefully NI will start documenting the multi-scripting functionality and we’ll see a host of new interesting performance tools. I used to use Nils Liberg’s excellent free ‘MIDI Filter’ script to attain some of this functionality, but that always meant loading a script in each instrument and then loading separate instruments (as opposed to banks). This approach with a multi-script and banks is really elegant. The only thing you would still be missing (unless I’m not understanding something fully) is layering (say Vlns1 spic + Vlns1 stac)… you’d still need to always have a couple duplicate banks going. Are you already using it?

Finally… thank you for the very kind words, soulofsound! It’s my great pleasure to support this community of friendly and intelligent artists.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Mind Control #33365

@soulofsound wrote:

It seems to answer much of my troubles with Kontakt. Perhaps it is of use to anyone here as well :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9vJXxdOnkk
http://www.orangetreesamples.com/mind-control

LOL..

When I read this title I thought you were joking! But wow, I hadn’t seen this, and this looks really great!

Thanks for sharing these links, soulofsound!

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Kontakt 4 #31853

@Killahurts wrote:

Thought I would revive this thread rather than making a new one..

I’m thinking about updating from Komplete 5 to Komplete 6, which means Kontackt 4. This, I want to do before they possibly raise the upgrade price with a new version coming out.

However, LASS is working very well for me under Kontakt 3.5, and I don’t want to break anything. I am using DP7, Mac Pro, Snow Leopard, so I guess I’ll go over to Motunation and see if the above issues have been resolved- But I’d still like to hear from you guys as to how LASS is working in K4 because I use it every day and can’t afford down time right now.

Thanks in advance!

I am unaware of an issue between K4 and DP7 (definitely, Motunation is a better source for that info), but I can tell you that LASS runs just fine in K4/K4 Player… I’ve been using that combination here for quite a while now.

You could always go and grab the free K4 Player from NI and give it a shot for free. It won’t overwrite your 3.5 and will turn into the full version if you upgrade your Komplete. Should give you a good idea of compatibility and performance.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS Legato Problem, VEPro with Kontakt4 #33338

@mpeluso wrote:

Hey guys. Well, as bummed as I am to say it you’re absolutely right, Sebastian. I tried working in 44.1 and problem solved…errr problem born. I’d obviously love to keep working in 48 but at least this fixes the issue at hand.
Thanks for being so thorough, Sebastian. Hope this fixes your issue as well, g-man.

-mp

This issue has been fully identified now, I believe. It’s a rather strange combination of circumstances, but it boils down to an unforeseen consequence of Kontakt running inside VE Pro at different sample rates. VSL recently mentioned they are working on a solution… keeping all our fingers crossed.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS/VSL Ensemble Pro/Kontakt3.5/Cubase5 #33351

According to VSL, the problem boils down to the fact that Kontakt requires a reload of samples when changing sample rates. Normally this would happen automatically in your sequencer, but VE Pro does not seem to support Kontakt’s attempt to reload, and everything goes haywire. Sounds like Vienna may try to fix this issue by creating an exception for Kontakt, but we’ll see. I’m not a Cubase user, but I have a hard time understanding why this ‘ping’ of 44.1k would need to happen at all, and am curious if there’s some kind of preference that would change this behavior.

We’ll keep trying to get this sorted.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS Legato Problem, VEPro with Kontakt4 #33336

@g-man wrote:

I didn’t think of a relation with clocking issues… My system clock is a Mutec Mc3. My systems running at 48kHz.

All machines are connected to the Mutec via BNC, which is the 8 core Mac, my main machine, a
Power Mac with a digi003 and ProTools 8, one Barbone PC with a RME HDSP 9652, one rack mount pc with a
RME HDSP 9632 and the i7 core PC with the profire lightbridge..

Does that help?

Okay… not sure if this is related, but if it’s not too much trouble you may want to give it a test at 44.1k. I realize you should be able to work at whatever sample rate you choose, but there seems to be some VE Pro/Kontakt weirdness at non 44.1k samplerates for people. If switching it makes everything work for you it’s more evidence that VSL/NI need to figure out where this problem lies.

Sorry again for the inconvenience…

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: re-initiallization #33356

@Wolfram wrote:

Hello everyone.

Have a small problem with the program …
When I load a new database, and starts to play, everything works fine.
And when I press start and hear the first time, everything is fine.
But, when I hear the second time, the volume much lower than the first time.
When I click “re-initiallization in Kontakt Player, everything is fine again. Until I play for the second time again.

What do I do wrong?

I’m from Norway, so I’m not good in English …

Spec:

-XP 32Bit
-Sonar 8 Pro
-Core i7 2,93GHz (8core)
-12GB RAM @ 1400MHz
-5 disk @ 500GB 7200RPM

Welcome to the forums, Wolfram!

Hopefully I’m understanding your problem correctly…
You’re talking about the dynamics of legato patches being reset during playback. Are you recording in MIDI CC1 (MOD Wheel?) to control dynamics?

It’s possible that upon playback Sonar is resetting MOD to a lower volume than you want… but if you record in some CCs (at least an initial desired value) Sonar will follow your dynamics as you recorded them.

Hope that helps…please let me know if I’m misunderstanding your questions.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS Legato Problem, VEPro with Kontakt4 #33334

@g-man wrote:

Bad news, guys…

I now did the same tests with Kontakt 3.5 under VEPro 64bit, as well as with K4 and K3.5 under VEPro 32bit and the effekt is all the same. So now I’ll have to contact VSL and NI or does anyone have some more ideas?

Btw, did anyone compare the legato behavior between Kontakt 4 and Kontakt 3.5? I feel now, K4 sounds by far smoother somehow..

Have a nice weekend!

Just out of curiosity… do you have digital clock working in some fashion?

Also… what sample rate are you running at?

There seems to be issues with a lot of people using LASS in VE Pro, and I’m wondering if your problem is somehow related to a few others I’m seeing.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Author]

Posts