[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS/VSL Ensemble Pro/Kontakt3.5/Cubase5 #33349

@calculus wrote:

Thanks Andrew

I have just quickly created and sent you a very tiny project setup that has a corrupted Legato Cello patch. You should get it info@audiobro. The cubase project will probably need saving/closing/restarting again after loading to re-corrupt the cello patch.

Thanks

Calculus

The problem of Cubase ‘pinging’ @ 44.1k (which is strange to begin with) and that subsequently throwing off a bunch of KSP in VE Pro was supposedly fixed with the VE Pro update a couple days ago…however, based on the VSL forums and some experiences here, that does not seem to be the case. I have a feeling that this a problem that could be solved on NI’s end as well, as something seems awfully susceptible in KSP.

I’m not sure when this supposed ‘ping’ is happening… at the first start of Cubase/Nuendo or when opening each project, but if it’s the former case, do you see any difference if you were to open Cubase before VE Pro… IE open Cubase with no project (or a blank project not containing any VE Pro plugins)… then fire up and load VE Pro Server… finally, load one of your sessions that is causing problems. Obviously if you close out Cubase in between projects you’re going to experience this problem again… ugh.

I know this must be frustrating, and just want to echo Andrew’s sentiments that this is frustrating to us as well because we can’t do much to fix it on our end.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS Legato Problem, VEPro with Kontakt4 #33331

@g-man wrote:

Hi Sebastian,

thanks for the message, wouldn’t have seen that as I checked
the update page just some hours before..
The bad news is I just installed the VEPro Update and it didn’t change anything.

@mpeluso: welcome on board! I have no other PC host I can test LASS on.
My Brainspawn forte is too old for that sorrowly..

Best; Chris

You can always open Kontakt 3.5/4 Player as a standalone app and see what happens.

Unfortunately, I don’t have a second machine here to test a dual VE Pro system config with (perhaps in the future) but, if it works alright in standalone mode this may be an issue to bring up with NI/VSL… and if we can narrow it down a bit, I can start banging on some doors as well.

Sorry for the inconvenience… I wish there was more I could do to help.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Some face to face help maybe? #33325

@Ron Pedley wrote:

Thanks Sebastian.
Well I have 6 different 16 bit ensemble patches loaded into one instance of Kontakt.
Ch.1: slow strings, Ch2: mutes, etc.
That’s all I need.

Now I have to figure out how to switch MIDI channels on a Yamaha Motif ES. I went to the global settings and switched the Keyboard transmit channel up and it does not play the corresponding patch on channel 2 or 3, etc. Is this impossible on a Motif?
M-audio has discontinued the Keystation Pro 88. But my local store has one. Is this controller the better choice to switch between MIDi channels and thus the different ensembles?
Many thanks,
Ron

This should be doable on the Motif, Ron… you may want to check the manual or inquire with Yamaha if there aren’t any other Motif users around here who know for sure.

The Keystation Pro would certainly provide this functionality as well… although it’s not my favorite keyboard.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Some face to face help maybe? #33323

@Ron Pedley wrote:

Wonderful Andrew! Those patches will work. Please forgive my ignorance. I have a Receptor 2 with LASS. Which is the most efficient way to set up my sounds:

1. Have one ‘instance’ of Kontakt loaded and load my 6 or however many patches. (Slow Strings, Spic.etc) and switch MIDI channels on my controller.
2. Or load 6 Kontakts on individual channels on the Recpetor ‘mixer’?

Thanks,
Ron

Hello Ron,

In terms of performance, you actually may want to check with Muse, and I’ll tell you why…

When running Kontakt as a plugin in most sequencers (which I believe Receptor also does… a VST I think) you are often limited to a single processor for each instance of Kontakt. To make use of multi-cores or multi-procs you’ll want to separate things into separate Kontakts….

However, since you’re using this live (and depending on how much layering you need to do), you may be able to get away with loading into a single Kontakt.

My guess is that you’d be fine going either way unless you want to do a lot of live layering…

Hope that helps!

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS Legato Problem, VEPro with Kontakt4 #33329

@mpeluso wrote:

Hey g-man. I have the same problem opening the same patches in K4 with VE Pro hosting on my i7 PC slave. I can’t figure it out either. Thanks for sharing your descriptive troubleshooting. I was afraid there was something wrong with my hardware but I’m thinking it’s a VE Pro bug. Have you tried running Kontakt as a VST with MOLCP and cutting out VE Pro? I’m going to give that a go and see what happens, though I’d much rather work in VE Pro with LASS.

Hey Guys,

There was a new release of VE Pro today (worth a shot, right?)

Otherwise it sounds like it could be either a Kontakt or VE bug…although it’s likely VE Pro…

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: Best midi controller for LASS? #32915

@Ron Pedley wrote:

Hi. I just got LASS in a Receptor.
Has anyone used a Yamaha Motif Es series? It has 4 faders and 4 knobs but I’m not sure if they are programmable. Maybe they are pre set to control 3 or 4 LASS parameters? I’m tried to setup a few simple patches. Legato, Fast, Pizz and Trem.
Thanks
Ron

Hello Ron,

You should definitely be able to set up your knobs/faders the way you’d like…

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motifator.com%2Fstorage%2Fsupport%2Fmotifese1.pdf&ei=42DFS5ewEJuusQPC0vTJCg&usg=AFQjCNGAH1KrtCSNrZpiCC1tw6PxbpW7Hw&sig2=TaJGmoQ8jbI544m8pfg35A

Check out page 140.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: VSL Ensemble and LASS…Pulling my hair out! Please help! :) #33278

@Killahurts wrote:

Well, I tried hooking up a separate switch and going into the second E-net ports on the Mac Pros, but I couldn’t figure out how to make it work where VE Pro communication would work only on that second connection. It worked over the first switch as usual, but that defeats the purpose.

The 2 machines are both hooked up to switch 1, which goes to the router, so they get their IP addresses from there- but then VE Pro wants to use that connection.

I’m not sure how to tell the computers to get their addresses and internet, etc. from #1, but to use #2 when talking to each other?

Yes, unfortunately I don’t believe VE Pro allows you to explicitly select a network interface to use (perhaps a good feature request, though), so the only way you can do this is to have two separate networks going… If all 4 ports are being assigned IP addresses by the same router’s DHCP VE Pro is not going to care which port it uses. Advanced networking isn’t for the faint of heart… but you may want to take a look on the VSL forums for more information about this kind of a setup… there are a few excellent posts about the subject.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS, KONTAKT4 and VE PRO: Legato Problem #32109

@gvalasek wrote:

Some play/record/stop/etc. event related MIDI resetting might be the problem, other than the utility Sebastian mentioned, you can use Kontakt’s built-in MIDI monitor multi-script too, see attached picture on how to set it up.

Better yet! I wasn’t aware of that script.

Sebastian

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: LASS, KONTAKT4 and VE PRO: Legato Problem #32107

One thing that may help people eliminate the possibility of a MIDI CC problem is to run a VST MIDI monitor and see exactly what exactly is getting sent into Kontakt. There are paid options, but this one looks to be free:

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/323.html

Temporarily replace any Kontakt on your VE Pro (or other host) slave and play back a sequence meant for LASS… Watch the MIDI CCs coming in for anything besides what you are explicitly sending. If there’s nothing, at the very least, we can rule out errant MIDI messages.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: tricks for working in Logic 9 #33301

@rJames wrote:

Today, if I solo everything up to the C cellos, no stuck notes. vio a,b c; vio2 a,b,c; vla a,b,c; cello a,b —-all of these soloed.

But if I add the cello c OR if I add the basses full, I get the stuck note.

So, it is a similar situation to yesterday except that we are moving UP the instance. Remember I muted the basses below to stop the stuck notes.

What is different today is that I added an instance of Kontakt above this instance in my project (not that this has anything to do with it.)

Only .73 G in the Kontakt memory server.

Hello rJames,

This (unfortunately) seems like a very unique and strange problem. If you aren’t willing to test with the stock patches (and without the CPC keyswitch script) it becomes tougher to figure out where the problem is. The other thing I can offer to do… if you are comfortable with sending me a Logic session exhibiting this behavior I will test it here to see if I can reproduce your results.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: keyswitch for setting the "Note Value Menu" #33285

@rJames wrote:

How do you “save” a preset? By clicking on the keyswitch chooser and selecting a key?

Once you make changes that you want to save click on the presets menu and choose ‘Save to Preset X’ where X is the specific keyswitch you want to use for those settings. There are 10 assignable presets… the last couple are empty. You are free to use one of the empty presets or overwrite one of the defaults. These changes aren’t saved to the patch permanently unless you save and overwrite the instrument (NKI) file, but they will be saved with your session.

Hope that helps…

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: tricks for working in Logic 9 #33295

@soulofsound wrote:

Anyone know a solution to Logic re-loading libraries, when you do something simple, like removing a track or plugin?

I haven’t seen that one in a while, soulofsound, but I remember hearing about that a while back. I’ve personally never been plagued with that problem, but I sometimes wonder if it’s because I still tend to be a little old fashioned with my Logic setup…

IE – I don’t use the ‘Automatic Management Of Channel Strip Objects’ option which comes on by default in new sessions. I tend to still have a pre-built template, and I rarely find myself deleting tracks. This is only anecdotal, but I sometimes wonder if when Logic auto-sets-up the environment if it sometimes has to do some behind-the-scenes reordering when deleting tracks– and it forces a reload of some plugins. Again, this is just a guess. If anyone else knows more definitively, I’d be interested to know as well.

FYI, I attached a screenshot of the setting for auto-management… it’s on by default, but I shut it off for my autoload.

[attachment=0:e53s32ol]automanagement.jpg[/attachment:e53s32ol]

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: keyswitch for setting the "Note Value Menu" #33282

@rJames wrote:

x2 cool.

Still can’t get the 8th notes to stay put. Can;t figure out what is changing them back to 16ths. But it is a bit of a pain.

rJames,

Does this happen in isolation for you? Could you try to load a short artic patch in Kontakt standalone and try recalling the presets. Again, as in the other thread, if you’re using the keyswitcher, could you give it a shot without it?

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: tricks for working in Logic 9 #33293

@rJames wrote:

For your information:

Even though I had the Keyswitcher program as the first slot in K4, it still sees it as an instrument. So, the Kontakt instance was full.

I don’t NEED divisi basses so I unloaded them and replaced with Full basses. This still did not fix the problem until I muted one of the extra channels that were freed up when I unloaded the divisi basses.

So, evidently LASS does not like a full Kontakt instance. But muting one channel (in the Logic Arrange Page) will kill the crosstalk.

Hey rJames,

So you’re using the keyswitched banks? Is that right?

Do you get these stuck notes with a full multi using the factory patches? I have a very similar setup to yours (minus the keyswitches) and I’ve never experienced anything like what you are describing.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: VSL Ensemble and LASS…Pulling my hair out! Please help! :) #33275

@Killahurts wrote:

Hi James,

3. Don’t have email or internet browser open while using the system, or anything that re-routes network resources.

Good luck!

Thanks for this input, Killahurts!

Since you’re both using Mac Pros, you could also consider dividing resources. Use one ethernet port exclusively for VE Pro (with a separate switch), and the other to go to your router and WAN (internet).

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: VSL Ensemble and LASS…Pulling my hair out! Please help! :) #33273

@JamesIII wrote:

Hello again, Sebastian,

Ok! Hooking up the ethernet cable to my gigabit hub solved the drop outs. Now a new problem is occurring. When I play a note, the sound suddenly gets quiet (sort of like a sfz) and then I can hear the note still sounding even though I’ve already released it. Any thoughts on this issue? By the way, you’re my hero for solving the ethernet issue!!!! Thanks a ton!!!!

James

Glad that helped!

For one, I’d put the preload buffer size back to the default. You rarely need to play with this setting anymore. If you haven’t already, I would also completely restart the VE Pro server and host and redo the connections. Also try a 2x multiplier in the VE Plugins for now. Are you using VE Pro 4881 or an earlier release?

If the problem persists it could still be a network problem… you could also watch Kontakt on the slaves and see what’s happening. Are notes sticking? Is Kontakt’s DFD or CPU meter get overloaded?

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: keyswitch for setting the "Note Value Menu" #33280

@rJames wrote:

I have manually set the “note value” using the dropdown. But it keeps changing back to 16th notes.

And why isn’t there an option for 16th note triplet?

Help.

Hello again, rJames,

You can do 16th note triplets by selecting the 8th note triplet option and activating the “Tempo x 2” option

As for the keyswitches…I’m trying to reproduce this behavior here, but I can’t. Once saved as a preset they always recall for me. If you want to save your changes permanently you’ll of course have to save the patch.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: tricks for working in Logic 9 #33288

Hello rJames,

Have you checked your project’s MIDI settings – under the CHASE tab? Try activating ‘sustained notes.’

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: VSL Ensemble and LASS…Pulling my hair out! Please help! :) #33271

@JamesIII wrote:

Hello Sebastian,

I just tried playing a string patch that came with Kontakt 3 and am still getting the same audio pops. I only have Kontakt 3 and LASS on my slave Mac Pro, so I’m unable to load any other libraries to see if they work properly. I have the ethernet cable connected directly from the ethernet port on the host Mac to the ethernet port on the slave Mac. I also tried a different ethernet cable to see if the one I was using was bad but had the same results. Any other thoughts?

Hey James,

One dumb question, and one suggestion…

1. On both your Macs… have you checked System Preferences ->Energy Saver -> ‘Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possble (this should not be checked).

2. I wouldn’t recommend the network setup you’re using… that may actually be your problem. Network setups are tricky business, but if I were setting it up for you I would… (a) Connect both computers via ethernet cables to a gigabit switch (b) assign a manual IP address to each (or set up a DHCP server to maintain IP addresses by MAC address). If this sounds like another language, you can just try connecting both to a router that has the switch/DHCP preset to go.

Also I would not recommend using WIFI with VE Pro.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

[Sebastian K]

in reply to: VSL Ensemble and LASS…Pulling my hair out! Please help! :) #33269

Hello James,

It sounds like you’ve already spoken with VSL, or at least looked for some help from them. While supporting VE Pro is obviously beyond the scope of Audiobro, I have a couple questions, and then maybe can make some suggestions. FYI, I’m a Nehalem Mac Pro – Logic 9.1 – VE Pro – LASS user as well.

How do you have your local network set up? Ideally you want everything hardwired to a gigabit switch in order to stream audio back via VE Pro.

Do you get pops/clicks in all plugins, or only in Kontakt?

I only have the single Mac Pro here, so I can’t duplicate your set up, but as far as I know you should be able to make those systems play together the way you want.

Best,
Sebastian Katz
audiobro support

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